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Title: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on April 21, 2007, 04:41:04 AM Mais tarde vamos falar um pouco sobre o "crédito" que vem utilizado para operaçoes.
Entretanto, um artigo sobre a mais recente operaçao de KKR (Kohlberg Kravis Roberts que è um "private equity" especializado em compras com utilizo de um grande "leverage". Um outro exemplo poderia ser Blackstone Group): http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=az.ADMAUj3wI&refer=home Title: Liquidez è sinonimo de confiança Post by: GiaMa on April 22, 2007, 05:26:27 AM Liquidez è sinonimo de confiança
A liquidez ("liquidità", nao sei como dizer em portuguese…) pode ser de 2 tipos:
No primeiro caso, è liquidità verdadera. No segundo, è liquidità somente se eu pago os interesses e pago o capital para dar-lo tras. Hoje cerca o 90% de LIQUIDEZ do que nos falamos è de tipo 2 (DEBITOS/CREDITOS) e vem criada na base da confiança (“dar o crédito”). Por exemplos:
Entao…. a liquidez, hoje, parece nao ser dinheiro real ma, em verdade, è “confiança” que os mercados financeiros (açoes) e os imoveis poderao continuar a subir. (SEGUE mais tarde….) Title: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on April 23, 2007, 11:05:04 AM E’ comum financiar-se em yen ou em CHF e comprar no mercado de açoes (veja o grafico, abaixo, de correlaçao entre EURCHF ou EURJPY e o S&P-500 ou Eurostoxx).
Esses grupos se financiam em CHF e JPY e depois eles utilizam o dinheiro para realizar LBO (leveraged buyouts) de 10-20 o 50 mil milhoes de dolares. (KKR està comprando Alliance Boots Plc para $21 mil milioes, e no inicio de abril comprou of First Data Corp. para $25.6 mil milioes. :o (SEGUE….) Title: Comparação entre EURJPY, SP e DAX Post by: GiaMa on April 25, 2007, 04:36:38 AM Olhamos um outro exemplo e confirmaçao que è comum financiar-se em JPY para comprar em mercado.
Abaixo, um grafico 15 min (referente-se aos dias 18, 19 e 20 abril) com o cross EURJPY, o contracto mini-SP e o DAX futuro. Title: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on April 25, 2007, 12:30:25 PM A engenharia financeira (sobretudo com os “credit derivatives”) tem como fim, aumentar o debito; e mais aumenta o debito/crédito e mais OPA, buyouts ou mergers nos temos. RBS que compra ABN e as bolsas subem….. è mais facil utilizar o credito do que poupar, ganhar e depois comprar.
Mais crédito vc cria (então, debito) e mais subem os imoveis, açoes, obrigaçoes…. O credito è “magia”. Nao è importante ter dinheiro mas è importante ter credito. A riqueza financeira não reflete os lucros das empresas mas depende do crédito (eu escrevi em um outro topico). No periodo 1996-1999 os ganhos (eps) das empresas estavam «inalterados» mas o SP subiu desde 615 pontos até 1371 em abril 1999 (pode ler o topico e ver o grafico aqui: http://www.finbest.net/forum/index.php?topic=257.msg1010#msg1010). Abaixo o grafico que estava no meu outro mensagem. Title: Re: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on April 26, 2007, 14:44:54 PM Em Italia, espécies na faixas dos ricos, as pessoas têm ainda muitos dinheiro em "CASH", na conta corrente, ou em geral em instrumentos risk free. Sois instrumentos que vc pode utilizar se vc tem necessitade, por exemplo se vc perde o trabalho ou deveria fechar sua loja ou ativitade.
O que è importante, que nós devemos ver, é o saldo entre a liquidez (CASH) e o débito hipotecario e ao consumo. Vc pode ter 4 ou 10 apartamentos, produtos estruturados, seguros ou açoes ma estes sois instrumentos que tem minor liquidez (por exemplo um flat ou uma casa) ou sois sujeitos às variações do -20% em pouco tempo em algumas circunstâncias. Sobretudo se deveriam ser vendidos a fim pagar débitos, ou juros ou em caso que vc tem problemas com seu trabalho, quando o mercado està caindo. Quando você vende instrumentos CASH não tem estes problemas. (SEGUE....) Title: Re: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on April 29, 2007, 03:48:35 AM Nos Estados Unidos, agora, o SALDO entre « Liquidez » e outros instrumentos monetarios «liquidos» (CASH) e o debito hipotecario e o debito ao consumidor è negativo de 3594 mil milhoes (assim, [instrumentos liquidos – debito = -3594 mil milhoes]).
Eles tem 13293 mil milhoes de debitos e 9699 mil milhoes de « non equity liquid assets ». O problema è que as familias nos Estados Unidos agora tem 13293 mil milhoes de debito ao consumidor (4 mil acumulados somente duranto o ano 2003). O saldo è negativo e se algum perde seu trabalho deve necessariamente, logo, vender as propriedades ou fundos para pagar os debitos ou os juros. Title: Re: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on May 12, 2007, 03:19:34 AM Vou a proseguir minhas "elucubraçoes" sobre o argumento "Crédito: poderia ser um problema?".
Hoje, o retorno no capital das companhias é muito elevado, e as taxas de interesse são baixas, especialmente em Japão onde com "swaps" e similar qualquer-um pode obter um empréstimo de 1% ou menos. Conseqüentemente houve 4.000 billions de "transações" (OPA, fusões, aquisições, buyout..) no ano 2006, e tudos da parte de companhias grandes e "mega" fundos (KKR, Blackstone...). Não é necessário que o público compra nada (e isso è demonstrado no fato que os fluxos de dinheiro nos fundos sois negativos ou perto do zero), a fim de fazer que o publico americano ou italiano põem 100 billions a fim comprar ações no mercado. Pelo contrario, nos vemos estas fusões de 50 billions, estas "leveraged buyout" de 40 billions. :o Até mais tarde... para proseguir. ;) Title: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on May 17, 2007, 10:07:33 AM Hoje, 17 de maio, tambem Bernanke fala sobre o "problema de credito"...
"BERNANKE: ASKING BANKS TO LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT PRV EQU LOANS" *DJ Bernanke: Significant Risks Related To Pvt Equity Financing DJ Fed's Bernanke:Fincl System Can Absorb Losses From Subprime Bernanke: Mortgage crackdown coming WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Thursday that he did not believe the growing number of mortgage defaults would seriously harm the economy. Facing criticism from members of Congress about lax regulation, Bernanke also promised that the Fed would do everything possible to crack down on abuses that have put millions of homeowners in jeopardy of defaulting on their mortgages. "We at the Federal Reserve will do all that we can to prevent fraud and abusive lending and to ensure that lenders employ sound underwriting practices and make effective disclosures to consumers," Bernanke said in remarks prepared for a financial conference in Chicago. However, Bernanke in his remarks did not detail any specific tightening of regulations, saying only that the Fed would hold hearings in coming weeks on the matter. Bernanke said while it was likely that there would be further increases in mortgage delinquencies and foreclosures this year and in 2008, he did not believe this problem would be enough to derail the overall economy. "We believe the effect of the troubles in the subprime sector on the broader housing market will be limited and we do not expect significant spillovers from the subprime market to the rest of the economy or to the financial system," Bernanke said. Bernanke, who served as President Bush's chief economic adviser before taking over the Fed post in February 2006, said regulators needed to be sure that any rules they imposed did not stifle the market for legtimate loans. "We must be careful not to inadvertently suppress responsible lending or eliminate refinancing opportunities for subprime borrowers," he said in his remarks, copies of which were distributed in Washington. Bernanke's comments to a banking conference sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago marked his most extensive review of the troubles in the subprime market since the Fed and other banking regulators came under criticism from members of Congress. Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd said a "chronology of regulatory neglect" allowed the problems in the subprime market to go unchecked. Banks and other lenders loosened their standards for making riskier mortgages during the five-year housing boom. The problems in subprime mortgages -- higher-priced home loans for people with weaker credit histories -- have roiled financial markets in recent months and raised concerns about possible spillover effects to the larger economy. But in his speech, Bernanke said that the "vast majority of mortgages, including even subprime mortgages, continue to perform well." He said that past gains in home prices have left most homeowners with significant amounts of equity in their houses and the growth in jobs and incomes should allow most households to keep their financial obligations in a manageable range. 17May07 14:01 GMT Title: Crédito: Blackstone compra Alliance Post by: GiaMa on May 18, 2007, 02:56:22 AM De novo.... Blackstone compra Alliance para 7.8 mil milhoes de $$.
Increivel... todos os meses eles compram. :o http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117940673513206177.html?mod=home_whats_news_us http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSWNAS180020070518 Title: Barron's sobre o problema de "credito" Post by: GiaMa on May 28, 2007, 15:02:21 PM Barron's tambem fala sobre isso. O problema do credito è muito interessante em este periodo....
Abaixo o artigo de 26 de maio que fala de mesmas coisas do que eu falei no inicio de este topico (por ex. "leveraged buyouts", sub-prime mortgages, etc etc). Barron's(5/28) Current Yield: From Subprime To Ridiculous In Bank Loans The great, global bull market in stocks rests heavily on the booming credit markets. But there are increasing worries about the soundness of that foundation. Never has credit been made available on such advantageous terms to private borrowers, who are using it to pay for mammoth private-equity transactions, leveraged buyouts, mergers and acquisitions (como eu escreveu no inicio de este topico) (http://www.finbest.net/forum/index.php?topic=277.msg1037#msg1037), or merely to repurchase shares. Perhaps with one exception: The private sector has been showered with credit insuch profusion and without discrimination among borrowers once before -- in subprime mortgages. We're just now seeing the downside of the boom-and-bust cycle from these previously unimagined excesses. But even the wackiest no-documentation, interest-only, adjustable-rate option mortgage has nothing on the latest contrivances of the credit market, where bank loans are sliced, diced and repackaged into collateralized loan obligations, which are snapped up by the likes of hedge funds. The new age of derivatives has been well reported. But as in every credit cycle in history, lending standards are being stretched. Bank loans traditionally stood at the top; secured by collateral, bound by stringent conditions of financial rectitude, these senior loans stood first in line to be repaid and were near bullet-proof -- at least compared to bonds, which typically were unsecured and issued with less strict conditions. Some new loans actually can provide less protection than older junk bonds. That insight comes from Kingman Penniman, a long-time observer and analyst of the high-yield market, who heads KDP Investment Advisors, which is located a safe remove from Wall Street in Montpelier, Vt. The highly leveraged loan market has surpassed the junk-bond market, owing in part to bankers' innovation in the form of "covenant lite" loans, which lack the strictures that senior obligations traditionally carried. Covenant-lite loans accounted for only 5% of the market in 2006, $24 billion out of $480 billion of total loans, according to Penniman. So far this year, "cov-lites" total $70 billion out of $237 billion, he says. Traditional loans typically had maintenance tests, which required the borrower to meet various financial standards, such as multiples of coverage of debt service or collateral. Now, borrowers will refinance their old loans with cov-lites to free themselves from those constrictions, Penniman explains, allowing the companies to use those assets to obtain more loans to further lever their balance sheets. Indeed, so great is the demand from investors for any extra margin of yield that the attitude of some is to buy first and ask questions later. Due diligence means no allocation. With defaults at cyclical lows, the economy and profits growing and credit conditions easy, this lack of discrimination isn't hurting anyone, he continues. But come the other side of the cycle, these loans will lack the protections of the old-fashioned loans. Past cycles have provided a blueprint for workouts of bad debt, based on clear claims on collateral, which may not exist. For now, no worries, as cov-lite loans keep the global boom in private equity, LBOs, M&A and buybacks going. But lowering of lending standards is an integral ingredient of any asset bubble, as the subprime boom and bust shows. Ironically, the stock market seemed more concerned about the rise in yields on Treasury securities to near their highest level of the year. Ironic, because the cost of corporate borrowing has been scarcely affected as spreads -- the risk premium on private securities over riskless government paper -- narrowed further. The 10-year-note yield wound up Friday's half-day session ahead of Memorial Day at 4.861%, up from 4.80% a week earlier and the highest since 4.89% on Jan. 29. Back on March 7, the 10-year yield bottomed at 4.49% in the wake of the global stock selloff of Feb. 27. As stock markets recovered, bond yields moved steadily higher as the odds of a Federal Reserve rate cut faded amid the buyout boom, which hardly indicates the need for even easier credit. More worrisome than the backup in bond yields over the past few weeks is that it has put the 10-year Treasury up to its downward trendline stretching all the way back to the historic peak of 15% back in 1981. That's the "most important trendline in the world," writes Natexis Bleichroeder technical guru John Roque, who sees a little resistance at 4.90% and then more at 5.25%. From there, he likens the T-note yield to gold prices in 2001, which the consensus then said couldn't rise. For now, the bond market faces what Goldman Sachs calls a "Quadruple Witching" of economic releases Friday. The employment report should show if job growth picked up in May, as implied by the recent decline in jobless claims. The Institute for Supply Management's May factory index will be watched for confirmation of a rebound in orders. Personal income and spending data for April should clarify the recent mixed reports on consumer spending. The release also includes the Fed's favored inflation gauge, the personal consumption deflator excluding food and energy costs, which has been edging closer to Bernanke & Co.'s comfort zone. As Bette Davis said in All About Eve, fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride. --- Title: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on July 01, 2007, 14:40:59 PM 01 julho 2007.
Ontem foi realizada a maior operaçao de Leveraged BuyOut. Um consorcio (Teachers Private Capital, Providence Equity Partners Inc., Madison Dearborn Partners, LLC....) compra BCE (Canada) por 48.5 bilhoes de dolares. :o Increivel.... Abaixo o link para a noticia em Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN3026547320070630?pageNumber=1 Title: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on July 04, 2007, 12:05:13 PM Blackstone compra Hilton para 20 bilioes de dolares mais o debito.
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSWEN915620070704 Title: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on July 11, 2007, 09:57:48 AM 11 julho 2007
Aaaah! Depois 3 meses agora tambem o "mercado" va a falar sobre o problema de credito e os "subprime". Somente agora as pessoas veem o problema? Eu andavo falando desde 21 avril (inicio de este topico).... :D US Stocks Open A Bit Higher; Investors Sort Out Subprime By Leslie Wines U.S. stocks opened with slight gains Wednesday as investors tried to sort out the broader implications of a plethora of new downgrades and downgrade threats in the subprime residential mortgage backed securities sector. The Dow Jones Industrial Average was up 5 points at 13506. Among Dow components, financial stocks were in focus as investors tried to sort out which institutions might be affected in the near future by the subprime issue. American Express Co. was off 5 cents at $60.25 and JP Morgan Chase was 20 cents lower at $47.25. The S&P 500 was up 1.21 point at 1511.33 and the Nasdaq Composite was 2 points higher at 2641. On Tuesday Moody's Investors Service downgraded almost 400 subprime residential mortgage-backed securities and Standard & Poor's threatened to downgrade more than 600 similar assets. The worries about the contagion from the subprime market spreading to the broader economy produced a selloff on Tuesday and remained in the forefront of investors' minds on Tuesday. In addition to sending stocks sharply lower, the subprime worries also sent the dollar to an all-time record lows against the euro and to its weakest level against the pound since 1981. "The overarching concern is the extent to which subprime concerns are spreading throughout the financial system," said Art Hogan, "On some days like yesterday we are overcome by fears. But, on other days, it seems as if things won't be so bad." "Also, we have not had a robust earnings season so far," Hogan said. "It is still too early to call the season disappointing, but we didn't get the great start we wanted." There are no major scheduled government data reports on Wednesday, but investors will be eager to view the latest weekly energy stockpile figures at 10.30 a.m. Analysts are uncertain whether General Electric Co., which took a $500 million first-quarter charge for subprime mortgage losses, may have suffered further losses in its second quarter, according to The Wall Street Journal online edition. However, the company earlier the company assured investors the problem was contained. GE results are due on Friday. The stock was up 2 cents at $37.92. Chevron Corp. late Tuesday said it expects higher oil and gas prices in the second quarter, along with strong refining margins and profits from the sale of its stake in Dynegy. However, the company also said its performance should be affected by refinery outages and a weaker dollar. The stock was 24 cents higher at $89.25. Gerdau Ameristeel Corp. said late Tuesday that it agreed to buy Chaparrl Steel Co. for $4.22 billion. The deal price represents a 13.6% premium over Tuesday's closing price of $75.69. Gerdau Ameristeel stock fell 53 cents at $15.16. Alcan has begun negotiations for a merger agreement with Rio Tinto PLC, as it seeks to fend off a hostile bid from Alcoa, according to a report in The Globe and Mail newspaper. The stock rose $1.06 to $87.20. Liz Claiborne Inc. said it is selling 16 of its 36 apparel brands and plans up to 800 job cuts. The stock rose $1.02 to $38.25. The dollar remained under siege early Wednesday, after suffering numerous blows this week related to the fact the fed funds rate has stood still for more than a year, while foreign rates have been rising, diminishing the dollar's competitive edge. The pound traded at $2.0305, a bit below its overnight high of $2.0351, its highest level since 1981. The euro was only slightly below its all-time high of $1.3774, while the dollar traded at 121.36 yen, after falling below 121 yen overnight for the first time in two months. The benchmark 10-year Treasury note was under slight pressure, after staging a brisk rally on Tuesday due to the subprime concerns. Treasurys generally receive safe-haven inflows in times of economic uncertainty. The benchmark note was down 4/32 at 95-26/32 with a yield of 5.045%. Gold continued to benefit from the recent dollar rout. It also is a typical safe-haven play. The front-month contract was 80 cents higher at $665.20 an ounce. Crude-oil futures edged lower Wednesday, as traders awaited data on U.S. petroleum supplies that's expected to show a rise in crude inventories for a sixth week in a row. Crude for August delivery fell 24 cents at $72.57 a barrel. Title: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on July 17, 2007, 03:25:13 AM Depois algunas parenteses, vamos proseguir desde ultimo punto que era esto abaixo:
Hoje, o retorno no capital das companhias é muito elevado, e as taxas de interesse são baixas, especialmente em Japão onde com "swaps" e similar qualquer-um pode obter um empréstimo de 1% ou menos. Conseqüentemente houve 4.000 billions de "transações" (OPA, fusões, aquisições, buyout..) no ano 2006, e tudos da parte de companhias grandes e "mega" fundos (KKR, Blackstone...). Não é necessário que o público compra nada (e isso è demonstrado no fato que os fluxos de dinheiro nos fundos sois negativos ou perto do zero), a fim de fazer que o publico americano ou italiano põem 100 billions a fim comprar ações no mercado. Pelo contrario, nos vemos estas fusões de 50 billions, estas "leveraged buyout" de 40 billions. :o Alguns anos atras, pessoas/grupos poupavam e depois compravam açoes com dinehiro “poupado”. Hoje nos temos todos (por exemplo RBS ou Barclay’s que compra ABN, Intesa que compra S.Paolo, KKR que compra muitas coisas, Blackstone que compra tudo mundo….) que compram com « credito ». Todos utilizam mais ou menos ¾ de debito para comprar coisas. Eles emitem obrigaçoes ou abrem linhas de credito e como resultado è que, no mundo, o 20% de o debito mundial è classificado como “junk” (similhante ao rating dos mutuos americanos “subprime”) com elevada possibilidade de “default” se a economia tem um rallentamento.... Title: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on August 09, 2007, 14:47:42 PM 09 ago 2007
Este topico, iniciado em 21 de avril, parece muito actual. ;D Agora algun hedge fund comença a "fechar" posiçoes. Olhar a volatilidade no mercado (VIX) (http://www.finbest.net/forum/index.php?topic=29.msg1414#msg1414l). US Financials Down; Hit On Word Of Hedge-Fund Liquidation By Greg Morcroft Shares of U.S. financial stocks tumbled Thursday on a report of liquidations of at least one Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) hedge fund, and after French bank BNP Paribas SA (BNPQY) said that it will stop valuing three of its funds and is suspending investor withdrawals because of U.S. subprime mortgage woes. BNP Paribas said there has been a "complete evaporation of liquidity," in the sector, highlighting the latest sign that housing market troubles in the world's biggest economy are rippling across the globe. The markets also raised an eyebrow when several central banks injected a total of about $150 billion of liquidity into the financial system. The moves were interpreted as an attempt to boost liquidity after overnight interest rates spiked. "The (European Central Bank) move shows that interbank financing is drying up. The banks don't trust each other anymore," said Heino Ruland, a strategist at Steubing in Frankfurt. The brokers and big banks are falling because investors are worried they have exposure on all fronts of the problem. They are invested themselves in the market and they have loaned others money to be in the game as well. Martin Slaney, head of spread betting at GFT Global Markets, said: "We are not quite at the panic stage yet, but this is beyond jitters. The ripples from the initial subprime stone are expanding. The question is how far will the ramifications go?" The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday that a hedge fund run by Goldman Sachs called the North American Equity Opportunities Fund has sold some of its positions recently. Moreover, there has been persistent speculation that another Goldman fund, Global Alpha, is also liquidating positions. And Black Mesa Capital, a hedge fund firm that uses computer models to track down arbitrage opportunities, has told investors that at least one very large hedge fund or investment bank is liquidating "massive" trading portfolios, according to a letter the Santa Fe, N.M., firm sent to investors Wednesday. "Clearly, something is amiss in the markets that few in our strategy, if anyone, have experienced before," Black Mesa wrote. The American Stock Exchange Securities Broker/Dealer Index slipped 3.4%. Bear Stearns Cos. (BSC) sank 5.7% to $114.24; Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. (LEH) dropped 5.2% to $61.41; Morgan Stanley (MS) fell 4.7% to $62.30; and Goldman Sachs fell 5.1% to $183.46. Big banks fell too, with Citigroup Inc. (C) off 3.7% at $47.64 and JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM) down 4% at $44.68. The Philadelphia Bank Sector Index fell 3.4%. The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that Goldman's North American Equity Opportunities hedge fund had $767 million under management earlier this year. The fund was down more than 15% this year, through July 27, according to investors, and was down more than 11% in July alone. The Goldman funds, like others reportedly liquidating big positions, are so-called equity market neutral funds that use computers to spot mispricings in the market and profit from them. When investors are forced to sell big positions just to raise cash for margin calls, or to stem losses, it causes dramatic price swings in the holdings of such funds. Those swings are generally amplified because the funds often use borrowed money to make their bets. Title: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on September 06, 2007, 09:55:09 AM 06 set 2007
Consideraçoes.... Até hoje, nao aconteceu coisas muito graves.... mais ou menos 30 sociedades (nao bancos) de credito imobiliario nos estatos unidos quebraron, dois bancos na alemanha foram salvada e alguns fundos e alguns hedge funds foi constringido a fechar posiçoes ou liquidar. Até agora parece que sao somente 50 bilhoes de dolares em fundos, bancos e sociedades de credito. Mas... oscilaçoes nas bolsas foram de 12% mais ou menos (20% em america do sul). Embora... com 50 bilhoes de perdas (ou 70) as bolsas perderam 1500 bilhoes de capitalizaçao (agora recuperada para a metade, mais ou menos). Estam hedge funds (aqueles que trabalham no setor do debito e nao no acionario) que tem 300 bilhoes de dolares de capital... e que tem emprestimos de 1500 como minimo (5 de leverage). Com estes 1500 compraram desde 6000 até 9000 bilhoes de debitos (estimativa). Mais ou menos 1500 tem risco desde A até BBB (riscos de 10% tambem em situaçao "normal") Assim... 10% de risco sobre 1500 sao 150 bilhoes de perdas potenciais (ou realizadas mas ainda nao "visiveis"). Se o capital inicial è de 300 bilhoes, para um fundo, poderia ser uma perda de 50%. Mas um hedge fund que tem uma perda de 25-30% em breve, geralmente fecha e deve liquidar tudo para que os allocadores devem "resgatar" o dinheiro. E... se o fundo deve liquidar... ele liquida desde 6000 até 9000 bilhoes. Isso poderia ser um grave problema. :-) (Para quem gostam de aprofundar um poquinho o argumento, pode ler um post do amigo Bancotario no seu blog sobre os CDOs (http://elucubracoesgrafistas.blogspot.com/2007/09/derivativos-hipotecrios.html)) Title: Re: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on March 17, 2008, 07:30:54 AM 17 março 2008
O inicio de este topico foi o 21 april 2007. Parece muito actual, né?! Nesse momento inicia o "panico", com Bear Stearns comprada da JPM ontem para 2$ cada açao, com um outro -0.25% da FED (embora que amanha provavelmente decideram para um outro -1%) e com todos os bancos no mundo que estam soferecendo.... ;) Title: Re: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on September 24, 2008, 08:16:35 AM 24 set 2008
Bom, este topico teve inicio no 21 april 2007. Acho que foi uma das melhores analises e previsao do forum Finbest. Ler hoje este topico desde o inicio, è realmente uma analise otima. :D Agora, depois Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman e os outros e, sobretudo, depois que o Governo dos Estados Unidos promitiu de "segurar" as dividas dos bancos, acho que pode ser oportunidade de olhar para tentar identificar um bottom no mercado financeiro. Ainda a volatilitade è muito elevada, mas geralmente, quando alguma grande instituçao quebra, somos perto de um bottom (lembrar-se Enron no 2002 ou LTCM no 1998). Agora os bancos deveriam modificar o "leverage" (assim "re-leveraging" as operaçoes) e o intero sistema financeiro serà mais solido. Obs: Alguns dias atras eu ouvì o presidente Lula dizer alguma coisa como "aqui nao tem problemas".... acho que ele esquece que a economia brasileira, nos ultimos 6 anos, foi em expansao porqué o mundo financeiro nos EUA e na Europa estava em espansao a causa desses instrumentos (CDS e outros) que tem criado essa enorme "liquidez nao real" (assim o "credito") do que eu falava desde o inicio. LIQUIDEZ è differente da CREDITO. Ele esquece tambem que os bancos aqui em Brasil ainda trabalham com regras mais "fracas" e com legislaçao estadual basica em comparaçao com as regras nos EUA e Europa... assim è muito provavel que os riscos que os bancos tem aqui sejam elevados tambem. ;D Olha o que aconteceu com quase todas as IPOs em Brasil no ultimo ano. Quem è que aiuda uma companhia no processo de IPO e ganha como consultora e como "broker" e tambem, alguma vezes, como insider? O banco. Assim todas as IPOs sao realizada com preços "de conveniença", nao reais. Nada de analise fundamentalista "reale". Mas se o Governo aqui nao pode fazer nada porqué nao tem legislaçao, os bancos podem iniciar operaçoes de re-leveraging sem que ninguem sabe nada. Title: Re: Crédito: poderia ser um problema? Post by: GiaMa on October 24, 2008, 12:00:16 PM 24 set 2008 ...... Mas se o Governo aqui nao pode fazer nada porqué nao tem legislaçao, os bancos podem iniciar operaçoes de re-leveraging sem que ninguem sabe nada. Como eu hipotizei. Os bancos na Europa e nos Estados Unidos estam reduzindo o leverage. Noticia de agencia (Dow Jones Newswires) MILANO (MF-DJ)--Il sell-off degli hedge fund e' dovuto al fatto che le banche stanno drenando la liquidita'. Lo sostengono alcuni trader interpellati dall'agenzia Dow Jones Newswires, secondo cui le banche hanno problemi loro stesse a finanziarsi e dunque stanno tagliando il leverage agli hedge fund, che e' passato da 10 volte a 3 volte. I fondi, aggiungono gli esperti, stanno pagando anche i riscatti. Hoje o VIX (um indice de volatilitade) è a 87%. Em minha opinaio, tem coisas que podem ser comprada (nao conheço o mercado brasileiro mas tem coisas aqui na Europa que sao muitos interessantes). Eu sou "comprado" por cerca 22% de minhas possibilidades. |